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[Wiz]

Something else to consider regarding contact is "did the other person even feel it" or "do they realise there was contact".  I personally have had a couple (albeit few and far between) of incidents when I had no feeling in the controller or visual cue that I had made contact with someone but the other person definitely did.

I had a bump like that at La Sarthe once at a Tuna event (I think it was Ronin, but not certain), we both pulled out to overtake in the draft but I was coming up faster from a ways back.  I swerved and didn't feel / see any contact but they did and felt it hard, when I checked my replay there was no actual contact to see but the other car shot off like a sneezed lozenge (or a car that took an almighty draft bump) so I think my connection had a tiny lag spike causing the game to not register my extra actions.

I usually try to acknowledge any contact I make, even if it's just "oops sorry for the tap" kind of thing, but that time I didn't because I didn't think there was any.  We got it figured out though no problems, but it may be something worth considering that the other person may not have even known there was contact as it might be caused by a brief lag fart.

This is always a possibility and something that I'm always wary of as it's happened to me on more than one occasion.  This is a short video from a race a long time ago where this exact scenario you describe happened.  

VID00622.MP4

During the actual race, when things were going fast, I just thought he missed his braking point.  I got called out and felt dumb because I didn't remember any contact with anyone.  Then I watched the replay I saw the car "jump" like I rear ended him.  Well, on his side of things, I did rear end him.  I just didn't know it.  On top of appearing to be about 20 feet behind him, there was no "bonk" and only that small visual cue that I didn't catch during live action.

FUCK lag.  

[Feldynn]

Great video Wiz, thanks!  That visual perfectly depicts the lag-induced sneezed lozenge I was talking about .

[RoninTuna]

I had an incident with Allstar just like that day before yesterday, Difference was I could see it plain as day. I could see his car begin to decelerate then with the brake lights on it accelerated back up to cruising speed (at the decel point of Mulsanne straight). I heard no impact. I was positive I lagged, Allstar was positive he lagged and the two of us coasted around that corner sequence all the way through the Mulsanne corner at about 30 trying to decide who belonged where.

[DesertSniper72]

Stupid lag is stupid.

I remember that incident with the Porches and being a bit upset at the time. I know Wiz is not a dirty driver, so when he drove off as if nothing happened, I assumed it was lag. I was still upset, but it wasn't Wiz's fault. A brief discussion after the incident smoothed things out and all was good again.

Lag is something we all have to deal with and understand that it happens. A lot. Having said that, I have noticed some attribute their bad driving to lag and that I have a problem with.

[LooneyTuna]

If I get hit and nobody stops I will give everyone the benefit of any doubt, pick up the pieces, and move on. I know any true Tuna wouldn't hit and run. 

[RickS95]

I encourage a little contact, unless it's at DRC and then I don't want to be touched.  But I'm kinda weird that way.

[Brindle]

Contact is a touchy concept (Yeah, I went there ),Ironic that I should be posting in this thread as I am notorious for putting my self in situations for incidental and sometimes intentional contact. There are way too many forms of contact found on the race way, the hard part is telling the what is what. Telling what is intentional and uncalled for, intentional and appropriate, intentional for fun, Intentional for communication, unintentional mistake on their part, unintentional on ones own fault, just to name a few is tough at best. The only way to learn this is through experience. That said about 90 to 95% of all contact among the Tunas is unintentional.

Incidental contact, it happens, and it happens a lot at least for me it does. You have all heard exchanged between me and someone else who bumped me in a corner..."Sorry Ronin" "I'm alive, it's all good" and you know what...it is all good, it tells me people are trying and willing to admit an oops as long as it's in moderation. When you are oopsing in every corner and a couple of straights....then we have an issue.

That 5 to 10% of intentional contact that I have seen is all most all ways all in good fun and goes to improve our racing experience. I love contact when it's all in good fun. Lets say for example you are side by side on the final lap approaching the finish line and you decide it's be fun to grind the door handled of your car and the one next to you....That's awesome, Eggs and I did this the other night, we finished 0:00.003 seconds apart...as allstar would say...."Pure..Adrenaline" and this was a race for forth and fifth of six I think it was. I will admit too there have been a couple times where I know I have made some intentional contact with a little more vindictive intent for lack of a better phrase. One notable incident, one of our better drivers made a bone headed move and crowded me off the track with an uncharacteristic dive and I got no apology. I belted him for it, didn't damage his race any but it made a fuck of a lot of noise and I got my apology.

When it comes to getting belted into the fairway bunkers and the other guy just keeps going....I have no problem saying something. I don't say names because who ever did it knows who they are but yeah, I'm sure a hand full of yall have heard me say the words, "Yeah, I got fucking belted".

For those instances that have been mentioned where some one pulls over for a little door grinding thinking it was unnecessary....If we are bumping and rubbing and I am still right there, don't worry about it. Take that spot or die trying because I intend to try to keep it or die trying. What I prefer over just pulling over after contact is just run your race and if someone suddenly drops off or wrecks in close proximity to you, keep going but ask. "Was that my doing?", "Did we get together back there?", It goes a lot further than just driving off or pulling over "Just in case". If I screw up in close proximity to someone and crash on my own, I'll admit it. On the reverse, if it was someone else's fault and they ask, I'll say so generally in a fairly calm manor. If I wreck wile racing for position and I am enjoying the battle, I'm generally more than willing to let it go, contact induced or not.

See what I mean about good info in other drivers Stepper?   

I think you are one of the few people who can truly understand that one

Please don't ever reference me to such an act!  I will NEVER purposely wreck my fellow Tuna, or any other friend of mine.  Hell, I don't even bother with going after assholes anymore.  I really don't get that comment Ronin.   

[Brindle]

Sorry Boston, I know you said you are done with the conversation, but I am just trying to clarify so everyone can better understand. This thread is a prime example of why (at least for me) talking is not all ways the best course of action. When I speak, I say what is on my mind and I don't think any one will disagree that does on occasion cause more trouble than it fixes. In fact I was reprimanded for that yesterday. My on track code of conduct is difficult at best to put into words that everyone can understand. Especially with instances like this one here where my words by all outward appearance seem contradictory to what you have come to know of me by racing against me on the track. Somethings I neglected to mention pertaining to the incontinent I outlined, the driver I smacked, went on to win that one make sprint race at Autumn ring mini despite my retaliatory poke. It was also almost a year ago, this does not happen often, that is half of the reason why I remember it so clearly.

When you race at the level that all most all of us race at you don't all ways need words to express your self on the raceway. I am not afraid to cus some one up one side and down the other but we are a family here and you don't cus your brother up one side and down the other. Ya smack him upside the head, call him a dumbass and move on, at least that how my brothers and I grew up. Sometimes those non verbal exchanges relay the more appropriate message where words will only fan the flames. I'm not going to turn someone inside out for a momentary laps of judgment but on the same note I feel obligated to inform someone that they did something wrong if they have not all ready acknowledged it. I think everyone here wants to know when they have rubbed someone the wrong way, Correct? Had I opened my mouth it would have been a cus fest resulting in one or both of us getting really pissed off and leaving and possibly never sharing a track together again, but what really happened was Brindle was an experienced enough driver to understand the words that did not come out of my mouth and we continued to race with no further incident.

I do not draw my sword without good reason, in fact the only time any tuna has seen me really draw my sword was during that little training exorcize we called a demolition derby where I threw baked at the pack and took out everyone 

I believe that rubbing is a part of racing, I also have come to the conclusion that over concentration on avoiding contact is holding some of us back, This threads existence leads me to believe I am not alone. Forgive me if I am incorrect in this assumption, but the point of this thread is to discuss the point of raceway contact. So we can see exactly where each and everyone draws the line between racing incident, poor judgement and pure malicious intent so we can make better decisions on when contact is excusable vs. when stopping and giving the spot back is in order. Malicious intent is not an issue here so I simply explained my thoughts on racing incidents and poor judgments with some examples and touched base on malicious intent just to be through. Now that I have said more than I prolly should have I'm going to let this go and hope I have not made the confusion even worse.

This doesn't work in racing.  It has no place there period.

Um, most people can control themselves and discuss a problem like adults.  (no cussing needed)

Nope, the intent was to discuss if light contact is a problem with other drivers.

I made this thread to talk about when we slightly over drive the car, specifically in a corner.  There may be a light tap to the rear bumper, or a slight nudge in your quarter panel, or maybe you were run a tad wide (other driver pushed wide as well).  ALL these types of contact never upset the car much, if at all.  IF, by that you make a pass, KEEP IT!!!!!

That's my feelings.  We already know what to do about bigger mistakes.  That does not need further discussing.  "Rubbing is racing" has become more prevalent lately and I like it.  Within reason of course. 

[Brindle]

Something else to consider regarding contact is "did the other person even feel it" or "do they realise there was contact".  I personally have had a couple (albeit few and far between) of incidents when I had no feeling in the controller or visual cue that I had made contact with someone but the other person definitely did.

I had a bump like that at La Sarthe once at a Tuna event (I think it was Ronin, but not certain), we both pulled out to overtake in the draft but I was coming up faster from a ways back.  I swerved and didn't feel / see any contact but they did and felt it hard, when I checked my replay there was no actual contact to see but the other car shot off like a sneezed lozenge (or a car that took an almighty draft bump) so I think my connection had a tiny lag spike causing the game to not register my extra actions.

I usually try to acknowledge any contact I make, even if it's just "oops sorry for the tap" kind of thing, but that time I didn't because I didn't think there was any.  We got it figured out though no problems, but it may be something worth considering that the other person may not have even known there was contact as it might be caused by a brief lag fart.

This is always a possibility and something that I'm always wary of as it's happened to me on more than one occasion.  This is a short video from a race a long time ago where this exact scenario you describe happened.  

VID00622.MP4

During the actual race, when things were going fast, I just thought he missed his braking point.  I got called out and felt dumb because I didn't remember any contact with anyone.  Then I watched the replay I saw the car "jump" like I rear ended him.  Well, on his side of things, I did rear end him.  I just didn't know it.  On top of appearing to be about 20 feet behind him, there was no "bonk" and only that small visual cue that I didn't catch during live action.

FUCK lag.  

This is something completely out of our control.  If others can't understand things like that can happen and deal with it, then...

[Brindle]

Stupid lag is stupid.

I remember that incident with the Porches and being a bit upset at the time. I know Wiz is not a dirty driver, so when he drove off as if nothing happened, I assumed it was lag. I was still upset, but it wasn't Wiz's fault. A brief discussion after the incident smoothed things out and all was good again.

Lag is something we all have to deal with and understand that it happens. A lot. Having said that, I have noticed some attribute their bad driving to lag and that I have a problem with.

[RoninTuna]

Contact is a touchy concept (Yeah, I went there ),Ironic that I should be posting in this thread as I am notorious for putting my self in situations for incidental and sometimes intentional contact. There are way too many forms of contact found on the race way, the hard part is telling the what is what. Telling what is intentional and uncalled for, intentional and appropriate, intentional for fun, Intentional for communication, unintentional mistake on their part, unintentional on ones own fault, just to name a few is tough at best. The only way to learn this is through experience. That said about 90 to 95% of all contact among the Tunas is unintentional.

Incidental contact, it happens, and it happens a lot at least for me it does. You have all heard exchanged between me and someone else who bumped me in a corner..."Sorry Ronin" "I'm alive, it's all good" and you know what...it is all good, it tells me people are trying and willing to admit an oops as long as it's in moderation. When you are oopsing in every corner and a couple of straights....then we have an issue.

That 5 to 10% of intentional contact that I have seen is all most all ways all in good fun and goes to improve our racing experience. I love contact when it's all in good fun. Lets say for example you are side by side on the final lap approaching the finish line and you decide it's be fun to grind the door handled of your car and the one next to you....That's awesome, Eggs and I did this the other night, we finished 0:00.003 seconds apart...as allstar would say...."Pure..Adrenaline" and this was a race for forth and fifth of six I think it was. I will admit too there have been a couple times where I know I have made some intentional contact with a little more vindictive intent for lack of a better phrase. One notable incident, one of our better drivers made a bone headed move and crowded me off the track with an uncharacteristic dive and I got no apology. I belted him for it, didn't damage his race any but it made a fuck of a lot of noise and I got my apology.

When it comes to getting belted into the fairway bunkers and the other guy just keeps going....I have no problem saying something. I don't say names because who ever did it knows who they are but yeah, I'm sure a hand full of yall have heard me say the words, "Yeah, I got fucking belted".

For those instances that have been mentioned where some one pulls over for a little door grinding thinking it was unnecessary....If we are bumping and rubbing and I am still right there, don't worry about it. Take that spot or die trying because I intend to try to keep it or die trying. What I prefer over just pulling over after contact is just run your race and if someone suddenly drops off or wrecks in close proximity to you, keep going but ask. "Was that my doing?", "Did we get together back there?", It goes a lot further than just driving off or pulling over "Just in case". If I screw up in close proximity to someone and crash on my own, I'll admit it. On the reverse, if it was someone else's fault and they ask, I'll say so generally in a fairly calm manor. If I wreck wile racing for position and I am enjoying the battle, I'm generally more than willing to let it go, contact induced or not.

See what I mean about good info in other drivers Stepper?   

I think you are one of the few people who can truly understand that one

Please don't ever reference me to such an act!  I will NEVER purposely wreck my fellow Tuna, or any other friend of mine.  Hell, I don't even bother with going after assholes anymore.  I really don't get that comment Ronin.   

I referenced you because the incident outlined in red was between you and I, you cut my line forcing me off the track, it was you I hit. When you quoted the post and highlighted the incident I thought you actually remembered it.

[Turbo-Tuna]

I get annoyed when I go on the inside line, 2 wide, and I end up slowly drifting toward the outside line..."OH SHIT OH SHIT OH SHIT"...hopefully the resulting contact is harmless and I don't send someone into the grass/wall. When that kind of light contact happens, an apology is nice - and often heard, and I like to see no one getting any 'competitive advantage' because of it. The cool thing is that lots of guys in that situation let it slide pretty quickly. Because there was no harm, they tell you to step on it. I'm like this. Unless someone really puts me off pace, I don't really want the position back, and I don't want them to hurt their race because of 'inconsequential' contact.

Slightly off topic...In the GT300 series, on the last lap of Cape Ring Periphery, Eggs got a lag-bump from me, apparently. It was a bit like that RUF video. It gave me a 2 second lead, maybe damaged him, gave me the win. Lag sucks.

[Rek]

Contact is a touchy concept (Yeah, I went there ),Ironic that I should be posting in this thread as I am notorious for putting my self in situations for incidental and sometimes intentional contact. There are way too many forms of contact found on the race way, the hard part is telling the what is what. Telling what is intentional and uncalled for, intentional and appropriate, intentional for fun, Intentional for communication, unintentional mistake on their part, unintentional on ones own fault, just to name a few is tough at best. The only way to learn this is through experience. That said about 90 to 95% of all contact among the Tunas is unintentional.

Incidental contact, it happens, and it happens a lot at least for me it does. You have all heard exchanged between me and someone else who bumped me in a corner..."Sorry Ronin" "I'm alive, it's all good" and you know what...it is all good, it tells me people are trying and willing to admit an oops as long as it's in moderation. When you are oopsing in every corner and a couple of straights....then we have an issue.

That 5 to 10% of intentional contact that I have seen is all most all ways all in good fun and goes to improve our racing experience. I love contact when it's all in good fun. Lets say for example you are side by side on the final lap approaching the finish line and you decide it's be fun to grind the door handled of your car and the one next to you....That's awesome, Eggs and I did this the other night, we finished 0:00.003 seconds apart...as allstar would say...."Pure..Adrenaline" and this was a race for forth and fifth of six I think it was. I will admit too there have been a couple times where I know I have made some intentional contact with a little more vindictive intent for lack of a better phrase. One notable incident, one of our better drivers made a bone headed move and crowded me off the track with an uncharacteristic dive and I got no apology. I belted him for it, didn't damage his race any but it made a fuck of a lot of noise and I got my apology.

When it comes to getting belted into the fairway bunkers and the other guy just keeps going....I have no problem saying something. I don't say names because who ever did it knows who they are but yeah, I'm sure a hand full of yall have heard me say the words, "Yeah, I got fucking belted".

For those instances that have been mentioned where some one pulls over for a little door grinding thinking it was unnecessary....If we are bumping and rubbing and I am still right there, don't worry about it. Take that spot or die trying because I intend to try to keep it or die trying. What I prefer over just pulling over after contact is just run your race and if someone suddenly drops off or wrecks in close proximity to you, keep going but ask. "Was that my doing?", "Did we get together back there?", It goes a lot further than just driving off or pulling over "Just in case". If I screw up in close proximity to someone and crash on my own, I'll admit it. On the reverse, if it was someone else's fault and they ask, I'll say so generally in a fairly calm manor. If I wreck wile racing for position and I am enjoying the battle, I'm generally more than willing to let it go, contact induced or not.

See what I mean about good info in other drivers Stepper?  

I think you are one of the few people who can truly understand that one

Please don't ever reference me to such an act!  I will NEVER purposely wreck (REK) my fellow Tuna, or any other friend of mine.  Hell, I don't even bother with going after assholes anymore.  I really don't get that comment Ronin.  

Fixed

P.S.  I hate letting sleeping dogs lie They need a little kick every now and again Anyone else have any problems lately? Anyone?

[CharlieTuna]

 

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