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This is the best race I have been in, in a very long time. I love the fact we had 14 in the race. That was fucking brilliant I must tip my hat to al and just sayl that was more exciting than an F1 race even if Grill and Rick ran off with it.  :laugh
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my tune(reminder) here soon (its bad but stable) tune I had. I hope you fast cats tell me where I went wrong, but I already know I will hate Ricks95 vette tune even if he does share the real deal. I did hit the turn one pit divider very head on. (fucking concussion Gozer. Shit)  and multiple spins. I finished under 2 minutes, but feel I can tighten up my race. I would love to do more races with the specifications. 
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All my tune did was guarantee me not to finish last.  I'll be happy to share if anyone wants it, but I had nothing on Grill.  I divide the blame into two parts.  First, he was faster than me; and second, I was half a second faster in my lounge.  Even with the draft and/or lower weight due to fuel consumption, I never came within a half second of laps I ran in my lounge.  But ultimately, Grill dominated.  

From lap 7 or 8 on, I was playing catch up to Grill and Metal.  Grill apparently wrapped this thing up early, because while I spent most of the race in 3nd place, with roughly 20 laps to go, I noticed I was in 2rd place and Metal was several spots behind me.  I was shocked to be in 2st and figured Metal was going to try to run the final 20ish laps on one set of tires.  

My original plan was to pit every 14 laps, but realized I could make up a lap or so each stint due to lower weight from fuel consumption.  I was still in second til I pitted with 10 laps to go but figured I was going to catch Metal before the end, and hoped I'd catch Grill (wishful thinking).

I caught Metal with just a couple laps to go, but never sniffed Grill.  He was far superior to anyone on the track.  I thought I was supposed to have an advantage in the turns or on the straights, since we were in different cars, but that wasn't the case as he used talent to keep me behind him for all two hours.  

It was a fun event and I enjoyed preparing for it (I particularly enjoy running at DRC).  I have to say, two hours is a bit long for me.  I'd love to have then enduros monthly, but if we're voting, I'd vote for something 60-90 minutes long...that seems to be my max.

I appreciate the time and efforts put forth by everyone to make this happen.
« Last Edit: October 13, 2012, 09:28:01 AM by RickS95 »
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I could not be happier with how this event went down!  I'll post up my POV of the race later, as well as finishing and starting order.  Congrats to all the podium finishes you guys really kicked some ass!
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 Congrats to Grill and Rick! Hope we can do this again! Thanks to Wolf for setting this race up, it was Awesome! 8)
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All my tune did was guarantee me not to finish last.  I'll be happy to share if anyone wants it, but I had nothing on Grill.  I divide the blame into two parts.  First, he was faster than me; and second, I was half a second faster in my lounge.  Even with the draft and/or lower weight due to fuel consumption, I never came within a half second of laps I ran in my lounge.  But ultimately, Grill dominated.  

From last 7 or 8 on, I was playing catch up to Grill and Metal.  Grill apparently wrapped this thing up early, because while I spent most of the race in 3nd place, with roughly 20 laps to go, I noticed I was in 2rd place and Metal was several spots behind me.  I was shocked to be in 2st and figured Metal was going to try to run the final 20ish laps on one set of tires.  

My original plan was to pit every 14 laps, but realized I could make up a lap or so each stint due to lower weight from fuel consumption.  I was still in second til I pitted with 10 laps to go but figured I was going to catch Metal before the end, and hoped I'd catch Grill (wishful thinking).

I caught Metal with just a couple laps to go, but never sniffed Grill.  He was far superior to anyone on the track.  I thought I was supposed to have an advantage in the turns or on the straights, since we were in different cars, but that wasn't the case as he used talent to keep me behind him for all two hours.  

It was a fun event and I enjoyed preparing for it (I particularly enjoy running at DRC).  I have to say, two hours is a bit long for me.  I'd love to have then enduros monthly, but if we're voting, I'd vote for something 60-90 minutes long...that seems to be my max.

I appreciate the time and efforts put forth by everyone to make this happen.

tune was wat?

I have 69 maro Aero 20/49
Limiter 97.2 after race oil change back to 549hp
Trans ? you got me too @ top top speed 232
2.442 1.601
1.143 .901
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Final 3.710 top speed 205
feed me lsd 20/25/5
Spension
0/-5
9.8/8.2
5/5
5/4
6/5
1.9/.08
0/0
Whoa @ 4/5

Really great racing. Somehow my best lap was in Q 1'43.9xx. The car is stable, just avoid the.......boom............
I had too many off track excursions, but lapping in the 1'45 to 1'47 average over 17 to 20 laps could do a lot better then I did.  ^-^
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I'm also in the agreement crowd .... much fun and a big congrats for the effort put in to make this happen.

Congrats Enyo ... well deserved.

I was getting pretty tired towards the end ... bed time is 10pm.  :laugh . I made no mistakes until around lap55.  I had 2 serious offs within a couple laps of each other ... one at the hairpin, the other through the bus stop. This cost me 4th place, as Metal and (hmm... cant think of his PSN) were just ahead of me and I was on fresh tires.

I kept my pitstops at 14laps, and pretty proud of myself to keep the vette under control at the end of each run, but I had to make that 14 each time.  I found out I had to be quick on the fuel selection after my first stop (early pit stall).  I ended up taking 47liters which through me way back .... but made up for it on the second with only 14liters needed.

I as well never came close to my high-43's, low 44's I experienced in my lounge. I knew I was screwed during race-practice when crossing the start/finish I was only hitting 189 ... my lounge had me at 193. I was averaging low 45's during the race.  I did manage a good Q-time though, and I think I only duplicated it once during 67 laps.  Pitiful ...  :'(

Fun fun fun .... really enjoyed the good driving by everyone, and the chance to spend more than 6 laps at a time racing with you all!

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  • One good turn deserves another. >-)))>


Sorry to bail but not being able to race with anybody really bothers me. There was no way I could continue for another hour like that. Usually when this happens I'm not driving a car with similar specs as the rest of the field. I didn't think I sucked that much, but maybe I do.  :-\

It was good to hear that everyone else had fun.
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Sorry to bail but not being able to race with anybody really bothers me. There was no way I could continue for another hour like that. Usually when this happens I'm not driving a car with similar specs as the rest of the field. I didn't think I sucked that much, but maybe I do.  :-\

It was good to hear that everyone else had fun.

I forget what lap I got lapped on.
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thanks for the race everyone. sort of sorry about the contact coming out of the pits Dude(but it was the highlight of MY race ;)). any ways here is my tune

max aero, no ballast
1th-2.019, 2th-1.304, 3st-0.959, 4rd-0.761, 5st-0.620, final 3.44, top top speed 225 bottom top speed 224
LSD 7, 30, 7
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height 0/0                 camber 0.2/0.2
springs 15.0/14.0        toe  -0.04/0.02
damps ext-10/10        comp-4/4
roll bars 6/6
brakes 5/5

this beast is a pig on fuel but capable of over 17 laps on tires my best time with the car is 1:42.182 peak times are posted around lap 5 of the tire cycle 14 lap schedule is recommended times drop significantly after that 46's. care must be given when accelerating off the hairpins not to spin.

disclaimer: this works for me if not for you then change it. :P
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All results and data from last night's race is posted here:

http://www.supatunagt.com/smf/index.php?topic=2068.new#new


So that race for me:

At race start I somehow got a huge jump on The_Revengel, who was gridded in front of me.  Sorry for bumping you from the rear (which almost made me slide sideways, lol) which put me down from 8th to 11th in a quick self inflicted wound, haha.  On lap 2 I got loose through the bus stop and lost the draft from everyone in front of me (bleh).  My pit strategy at race start was to go 14/14/14/13 but they I decided to see if I could do 17's instead.  I spent a lot of time in clean air.  I think I only drafted off other people for about 5% of the race time unfortunately.  I had luck reeling in other drivers but 3 times I made braking errors (after drafting) and hit a wall or semi spun and undid the gains I had earned the previous few laps.  I then started thinking that (outside of my miscues) I wasn't doing myself any favors stretching my tires to 16/17 laps as I was losing too much time per lap conserving tires.  Nor was sitting in the pits to take on a lot of fuel a good use of time in my opinion.  So I changed to a 4 stop strategy the next time I pitted on lap 47.  It helped the time bleeding but didn't stop it!  And then on my last pit stop, while exiting the pit I somehow got my car sideways in the exit lane, taking on a little damage in the process.  That was also when I was lapped, lol.

If we do this again I do believe I need more practice and more tuning (aren't those always the answers to everything?)
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i think practice is the answer. regarding tuning i only made tweaks to even tire wear once I figured my transmission wouldn't top out, after that i ran ALOT of laps. I also tested the other 2 cars we ran in the race both hitting mid 43's(after some tuning) to figure out what their characteristics(strengths/weaknesses) were. and honestly i thought the camaro was gonna be the car to beat after my test session wednesday it has amazing tire wear and fuel mileage. hate to say it but the corvette didn't impress me at all other than top speed because it melted the back tires. awsome driving Rick i was expecting camaro's to dominate the podium.
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this beast is a pig on fuel but capable of over 17 laps on tires my best time with the car is 1:42.182 peak times are posted around lap 5 of the tire cycle 14 lap schedule is recommended times drop significantly after that 46's. care must be given when accelerating off the hairpins not to spin.
 

God, I hope that time is with the draft.  After reading some of the early practice reports and seeing lots of times in the 44s and a best of 43.5, I was pretty happy running 43.5 on my bad tune, changing the front camber and seeing 43.1s in my lounge.

I realized as soon as I got into the race lounge that it would be a cold day in hell before I'd see those times again.  The track felt icier and my top speed was lower due to lifting more than usual exiting the bus stop.

Unfortunately I was reasonably nervous when the race started because I haven’t race with actual humans in a couple months and I didn’t want to kill anyone.  My first half dozen laps were tight and I lost time on each lap, running mid- to high-44s--not what you want to see when low-43s were what I was used to.

I’d say by about ten laps, the two cars in front of me were gone and the cars behind me were gone so I was able to run a lot of the race by myself.  With no cars next to me, I was able to settle down into the low-44 range, but I could tell that wasn’t going to win it.

About half way through the race, I did notice I was catching up to the cars in front at a pretty good clip.  I cut the lead from 30 seconds to 19 seconds, then made my only mistake of the race, lost focus, entered the bus stop too deep and took a shitty angle through it and played in the grass.  No crash, but I left the bus stop 31 seconds behind and knew winning was now out of the question.

Running different cars was kind of neat because there was so much strategy involved.  I had my race planned down to how many liters of fuel I was going to take on each stop so I ran out crossing the start/finish on the final lap, but even with all the preparation, there were several times during the race where I thought to myself, WTF?

I was one of the first cars to pit and I think I might have been in third when I pitted after lap 14.  I left the pits in tenth and found myself in fifth after all cars made their first pit.  I spent several laps trying to figure out how I lost two spots during a pit when it takes everyone the same amount of time to change four tires.  Finally, after a lot of bitching and moaning to myself, I realized that I took 36 liters of fuel on the pit stop and probably not everyone did. 

Some 55 laps in, my car started to lose power, right at the 200 mile mark I’m guessing.  I was coming up on some slower cars and it took me 3 or 4 laps to finally get by because I simply didn’t have the ponies.  That’s about when I started to realize Metal was behind me and had been for some time, I knew I had to make one more stop for tires and a splash of gas and I guessed he was either going to pit once more or go some 20 laps on a set of tires.  I thought either way was a win-win for me.

After my final pit, I was in third behind Grill and Metal and I thought I could catch Metal, and thought with some help from above maybe I could steal it from Grill.  I think despite the lower horsepower, I ran the final ten laps faster than the first ten.  I had plenty of distance on the fourth place car and took out after Metal.  I started seeing 43.7 after 43.7 after 43.7.  With a couple laps to go, I finally caught up and saw Metal.  I smiled because I knew he was toast (sorry Metal).  I don’t know how many laps he’d been out on those tires, but they finally gave entering the speedway and I didn’t have to work for the pass. 

Still, I had nothing for Grill, and if he was running 42.1, I can see why.  When I get on the PS3 later today, I’ll post my Corvette tune.  In my lounge it was good for 43.151 and on a perfect lap, I think it would do just under 43, but nothing like Grill.  You could get 15 laps on a set of tires, but the last couple would need to be under a judicious right foot.  I could push hard for 8 laps, push slightly for the next 3, be gentle for another 2, and then baby it from there. 

As I mentioned before, I enjoyed the race and preparing for it.  I think most of that was because I enjoy the track so much.  Not sure I’d be interested in running two hours at the Cape Ring tracks, but I really look forward to anything at DRC.  The two hours is a bit much for me.  My request, if we’re taking a vote, is to max it at 60-90 minutes.  Also, I’d love to see one of these every month.  There are plenty of cars to choose from and with a good track like DRC, you can run shitty cars and it’s still fun. 

Thanks to everyone who showed up. 
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i think practice is the answer. regarding tuning i only made tweaks to even tire wear once I figured my transmission wouldn't top out, after that i ran ALOT of laps. I also tested the other 2 cars we ran in the race both hitting mid 43's(after some tuning) to figure out what their characteristics(strengths/weaknesses) were. and honestly i thought the camaro was gonna be the car to beat after my test session wednesday it has amazing tire wear and fuel mileage. hate to say it but the corvette didn't impress me at all other than top speed because it melted the back tires. awsome driving Rick i was expecting camaro's to dominate the podium.

Like you said, Grill, lots of practice.  I never tried the other cars because I’d already made my bed with the Corvette.  After the first few laps, I thought I was in a dog.  I fought to keep my position all through the infield, I could barely pass leading up to the bus stop and I got smoked exiting the bus stop.  I had top speed but I couldn’t pass til the damned stat finish line and by then I needed to get on the brakes.

Still, it’s a Corvette…at least I looked good in it.
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my 42.1 was ran in clean air i could only hit the 42's for 3-4 laps per set of tires mostly 43's dropping to 45's by lap 14 with roughly a third tire on right rear. the last 7 laps were  eventful for me to say the least i was trying to eliminate a pit stop and didn't load enough fuel the previous pitstop luckily i hooked up with chrome for 4-5laps then saw metal pit and dove directly into the pit with less than 25% of right rear and less than a eighth of a tank of fuel on lap 65 was sure where you were at but it didn't really matter at that point i had to stop grabbed 15 liters and a set of tires it was offering me no fuel(apparently my virtual crew chief wanted to run dry on lap 67(i didn't)). if i had any errors other than my altercation with dude which only cost 1-2 seconds the race would have ended differently. i also got a killer start where i jumped out 3-4 seconds ahead of everyone on the first lap and had clean air for my whole first set of tires. barely caught a whiff of draft the whole race, till i caught up with chrome around lap 60 and tried to hitch a ride with him. the battle for second place which from my vantage point seemed often and to my advantage. metal also had a good car with a fast lap in the 41's i'm guessing with draft which i didn't get with tires or for long enough on the straights when i had tires since most laps there was a car just out of drafting range or i had a big run coming out of hairpin or bustop passing befor halfway on straight my car topped at 189-190(200 it tapped out following chrome with a possible 201-202 if i had the gears and tires).

also also also if i had of paid attention in english class back in the day this post would proably consist of more than one paragraph. :P
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