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[nosoks]

it was great to see, after all the tire and strategy fiascos, that an F1 race broke out. The last portion of the race was fun to watch

[DudeTuna]

Britain GP: Result
30/06/2013
Pos   Driver   Team   Laps   Gap
1   Rosberg   Mercedes    52    1h 32:59.456
2   Webber   Red Bull    52    + 0:00.765
3   Alonso   Ferrari    52    + 0:07.124
4   Hamilton   Mercedes    52    + 0:07.756
5   Raikkonen   Lotus    52    + 0:11.257
6   Massa   Ferrari    52    + 0:14.573
7   Sutil   Force India    52    + 0:16.335
8   Ricciardo   Toro Rosso    52    + 0:16.543
9   Di Resta   Force India    52    + 0:17.943
10   Hulkenberg   Sauber    52    + 0:19.709
11   Maldonado   Williams    52    + 0:21.135
12   Bottas   Williams    52    + 0:25.094
13   Button   McLaren    52    + 0:25.969
14   Gutierrez   Sauber    52    + 0:26.285
15   Pic   Caterham    52    + 0:31.613
16   Bianchi   Marussia    52    + 0:36.097
17   Chilton   Marussia    52    + 1:07.660
18   Van der Garde   Caterham    52    + 1:07.759
19   Grosjean   Lotus    51    + 1 Lap
20   Perez   McLaren    46    + 6 Laps
Vettel   Red Bull    41    Transmission
Vergne   Toro Rosso    35    Tyre Damage

[GoesTuna11]

it was great to see, after all the tire and strategy fiascos, that an F1 race broke out. The last portion of the race was fun to watch

Some pretty exciting racing.  the tire thing sure sucks though but they only have themselves to blame.  Pirelli wanted to change the tire but they voted it down.

[DudeTuna]

German GP this weekend.

[TunahCroonah]

Ah, Yes, German GP.....I love to watch this  race in particular:

 

Oops, wrong thread.  Sorry Guys..... O.K., here's the one i was looking for (some Nostalgia):

 

Jackie Stewart (BRM) and Graham Hill (Lotus) doing battle at Nurburgring Nordschlief (old course) Wow, it was great back in the day!

Airborne! (But no downforce, lol)  You just don't see fly by the seat of your pants racing anymore.

[DudeTuna]

German GP: Friday Free 2 - Times
05/07/2013
Pos   Driver   Team   Time   Gap
1   Vettel   Red Bull    1:30.416    127.367 mph
2   Rosberg   Mercedes    1:30.651    0.235
3   Webber   Red Bull    1:30.683    0.267
4   Grosjean   Lotus    1:30.843    0.427
5   Raikkonen   Lotus    1:30.848    0.432
6   Alonso   Ferrari    1:31.056    0.640
7   Massa   Ferrari    1:31.059    0.643
8   Hamilton   Mercedes    1:31.304    0.888
9   Button   McLaren    1:31.568    1.152
10   Di Resta   Force India    1:31.797    1.381
11   Sutil   Force India    1:31.824    1.408
12   Ricciardo   Toro Rosso    1:31.855    1.439
13   Vergne   Toro Rosso    1:32.055    1.639
14   Perez   McLaren    1:32.086    1.670
15   Hulkenberg   Sauber    1:32.495    2.079
16   Gutierrez   Sauber    1:32.762    2.346
17   Bottas   Williams    1:32.879    2.463
18   Maldonado   Williams    1:32.880    2.464
19   Pic   Caterham    1:33.695    3.279
20   Van der Garde   Caterham    1:33.804    3.388
21   Bianchi   Marussia    1:34.017    3.601
22   Chilton   Marussia    1:34.667    4.251

[DudeTuna]

   
German GP: Qualifying - Times
06/07/2013
Pos   Driver   Team   Time   Gap
1   Hamilton   Mercedes    1:29.398    128.818 mph
2   Vettel   Red Bull    1:29.501    0.103
3   Webber   Red Bull    1:29.608    0.210
4   Raikkonen   Lotus    1:29.892    0.494
5   Grosjean   Lotus    1:29.959    0.561
6   Ricciardo   Toro Rosso    1:30.528    1.130
7   Massa   Ferrari    1:31.126    1.728
8   Alonso   Ferrari    1:31.209    1.811
9   Button   McLaren    No Time   
10   Hulkenberg   Sauber    No Time   
11   Rosberg   Mercedes    1:30.326   
12   Di Resta   Force India    1:30.697   
13   Perez   McLaren    1:30.933   
14   Gutierrez   Sauber    1:31.010   
15   Sutil   Force India    1:31.010   
16   Vergne   Toro Rosso    1:31.104   
17   Bottas   Williams    1:31.693   
18   Maldonado   Williams    1:31.707   
19   Pic   Caterham    1:32.937   
20   Bianchi   Marussia    1:33.063   
21   Van der Garde   Caterham    1:33.734   
22   Chilton   Marussia    1:34.098   
Note: Q1 107% = 1:36.885



The Ferrari drivers and I believe Button and Hulkenberg are on the medium compound tires for the start. They will be looking to pit somewhere around lap 20. The other drivers starting on the soft compound will be lucky to make it to lap 10.

[TheHotstepper]

Thanks for the commentary Dude. You've been supplying me with good information this season... keep it coming!

Also: with Webber's seat open for next year, there's the obvious talk of Kimi and there's been chatter about Vergne too... but I don't get it because Ricciardo has had the sudden burst of pace as of late. Why Vergne?

[DudeTuna]

Thanks for the commentary Dude. You've been supplying me with good information this season... keep it coming!

Also: with Webber's seat open for next year, there's the obvious talk of Kimi and there's been chatter about Vergne too... but I don't get it because Ricciardo has had the sudden burst of pace as of late. Why Vergne?

I get the Toro Rosso drivers mixed up too. I believe Ricciardo is favored over Vergne. I think it's just that Christian Horner doesn't want to hurt his feelings by not naming him also. Toro Rosso is a Red Bull driver program after all.

[TheHotstepper]

This partly belongs in the bitch thread... but for the British GP, I had access to NBC Sports for the day and when I turned it on, the Tour de France was on. No big deal, it was pretty and scenic.

It ran over by like 20 minutes or something and, the geniuses FUCKTARDS that run that ramshackle network decided to go "to the studio for an NBCSports update."

Yeah, well they had tape-delayed the F1 race and were scheduled to air it AFTER the Tour de France. Apparently, whatever person was responsible for scheduling, didn't tell the :fucking idiots in the booth because what did they do? They showed F1 highlights (WITH NO WARNING) and completely ruined the race for me, even though it was about to air ON THEIR CHANNEL in less than 5 minutes.



 

[DudeTuna]

This partly belongs in the bitch thread... but for the British GP, I had access to NBC Sports for the day and when I turned it on, the Tour de France was on. No big deal, it was pretty and scenic.

It ran over by like 20 minutes or something and, the geniuses FUCKTARDS that run that ramshackle network decided to go "to the studio for an NBCSports update."

Yeah, well they had tape-delayed the F1 race and were scheduled to air it AFTER the Tour de France. Apparently, whatever person was responsible for scheduling, didn't tell the FUCKING idiots in the booth because what did they do? They showed F1 highlights (WITH NO WARNING) and completely ruined the race for me, even though it was about to air ON THEIR CHANNEL in less than 5 minutes.



 

They are idiots. This year I have had a hard time keeping up with which NBC channel will have the race live. The F1 race was live on CNBC last week and it was the same this week. NBCSports has been showing the Tour live and F1 delayed. If you have CNBC it's probably too late as the Tour will be over before the next F1 race.

continue bitch..

[GoesTuna11]

Do you guys get nbc announcers?  We get BBC announcers here.  They are pretty good.  The only issue is that I don't think that the BBC has commercials so when we get a commercial, the announcers get cut off.  At least we can still watch the race during commercials.  Edit: TSN always broadcasts the race live and will often do a repeat broadcast if the race was during the night.

A pretty good race.  Interesting to see the different strategies especially at the end.  Some great racing between Alonso and Hamilton earlier on.  That Webber incident was pretty disappointing.  Ruined Webber's race and the Camera guys next 6-8 weeks.

[DudeTuna]

Do you guys get nbc announcers?  We get BBC announcers here.  They are pretty good.  The only issue is that I don't think that the BBC has commercials so when we get a commercial, the announcers get cut off.  At least we can still watch the race during commercials.  Edit: TSN always broadcasts the race live and will often do a repeat broadcast if the race was during the night.

A pretty good race.  Interesting to see the different strategies especially at the end.  Some great racing between Alonso and Hamilton earlier on.  That Webber incident was pretty disappointing.  Ruined Webber's race and the Camera guys next 6-8 weeks.

The video is a FIA world feed then each station has to supply their own announcers. Here in the US on NBC we have Leigh Diffey, David Hobbs and Steve Matchett. They are in a studio somewhere in the US. Then we also have Will Buxton who reports the races on location. 

[DudeTuna]

Some of the major rule changes coming in 2014

Front wing reduced front 1800mm to 1650mm wide
Nose tip centered at 185mm high
Front Bulkhead maximum height 525
Chassis height maximum 625mm
Vanity panels still allowed
Engines now 1.6l V6 turbo, Direct injection, fuel flow limited, 15k max RPM
Energy Recovery systems to add +150hp from Kinetic and Turbo harvesting, giving around 33 seconds a lap of boost
Race Fuel limited to 100kg
Gearboxes to have 8 forward ratios, those ratios are fixed for the season
Single central exhaust pipe exiting 17-18.5cm behind rear axle line and 300-525mm high
Last 150mm of tail pipe must point 5 degrees upwards
No bodywork behind the tail pipe axis
No lower beam wing
Space still allowed for Y75 winglet (monkey seat)
Top rear wing a little shallower
Minimum weight 690Kg


Interesting Maybe they only get into 5th or 6th gear at Monaco then.

[DudeTuna]

C/p from thejudge13


Red Bull #2 driver

Further gossip and rumour. The word at Red Bull is that Ricciardo – barring disaster – will get the Vacant seat left by Mark Webber and that this will be announced in Spa. Johnny Herbert appears to believe he has a source who is suggesting it will be Kimi. Yet TJ13 believes the team think Kimi too much of a maverick, and Red Bull will follow the Ferrari model and now admit to having an outright number 1 driver in Vettel.

Kimi had problems during his 2002-06 tenure at McLaren and his biggest problem was Ron Dennis. Dennis wanted to change him the same way he changed Mika, but it Kimi resisted. When allowed Kimi would arrive at the F1 destination, drives the car and then goe home. Speculation was high when Dennis retired from his day-to-day F1 duties that Kimi would return, but Ron still held a veto on who drives for McLaren and who does not and there was no way Kimi was to be allowed a second chance.

Raikkonen similarly had problems with the hierarchy during his time at Ferrari. He had signed an extension to drive with the team until 2010 as reported by FOM, “Ferrari have announced an extension to Kimi Raikkonen’s contract for a further two seasons, keeping the world champion with the Italian team until the end of 2010. With Raikkonen’s team mate Felipe Massa also under contract for that period, it means Ferrari’s race line-up will remain unchanged until at least the start of their 2011 campaign”.

Yet by the end of 2009, Kimi was mysteriously gone and Fernando had been recruited. Kimi said to the BBC at the time, “I am very sad to be leaving a team with whom I have spent three fantastic years. I have always felt at home with everyone here, and I will have many happy memories of my time with the team.” Clearly someone in the team felt otherwise.

It’s a shame Kimi is not going to Red Bull because it would be interesting to see how Vettel measures up to another world-class driver. Of course other comparisons also become possible as following Hamilton’s move to Mercedes, many Schumacher critics now admit his second career looks rather better now than he was given credit for when driving against Rosberg. Kimi verses Vettel could also vindicate Webber similarly from those who think he is a choker.

I’m fairly sure this is no Samurai wisdom, but it may be some consolation to Kimi that at times it’s better ‘to be a big fish in a small pond’.


My thoughts.
I was guessing they would go with Ricciardo. Because why have a young drivers program if you don't use it. Also, as much as I dislike it. To win titles (WDC and WCC) in F1 these days a team really does need a defined #1 and # 2 driver.